In the deep ocean, occasionally, a whale carcass falls to the bottom of the sea. Most of the time, in the state of nature, creatures have just about enough to survive. But the first creatures to find the whale have more food than they could ever eat. These scavengers live lives of extraordinary plenty — some of the smaller, faster-breeding species might do so for several generations. There is enough to go around a thousand times over. For a while.
And then the whale is gone, and the creatures go back to their lives of crushing pressure, constant darkness, and an eternal knife-edge struggle for survival. As Thomas Malthus had it in his bleak vision: organisms, which increase exponentially in number, will rapidly outgrow their resources, which can only grow arithmetically. So of course, the excess population which has grown up on this brief glut must die off
We are currently living in a time of whalefall, suggests the scientist Vaclav Smil in his new book, How the World Really Works. He doesn’t use the word, of course: credit for the macabre whale metaphor must go to Scott Alexander. But modern humans are animals, products of evolution like any other, and yet we noticeably do not spend every minute of every day struggling to get the material required to survive. Instead, we build cathedrals and watch football, we make art, we waste time on Twitter. And that is because we live on the gigantic, blessed whale carcass that is our fossil fuel inheritance.
For Smil, our discussions about climate and energy are hamstrung, because so few people actually understand how the world really works. Material lands in front of us in pre-packaged, convenient forms — shrink-wrapped pork chops, winter strawberries, lights that turn on when you flick a switch, phones made of plastic and metal. The world is a set of black boxes that we use but, in most cases, do not understand. So when we say “we need to cut back our carbon emissions”, most of us don’t really grasp the implications of doing so.
But somehow, all these incomprehensible processes are keeping us alive, and we should find it astonishing that they are able to do so. The demand for material – for energy and nutrients – is greater than it has ever been. The world’s population has exploded: in 1800, there were about 1 billion humans. In 1950, there were 2.5 billion. Now there are 7.7 billion. In my parents’ lifetime, the number of humans alive has trebled. But amazingly, the amount of material available to each of them has increased even more, and that is in large part because of our use of fossil fuels.
In 1800, almost all the energy used globally was in the form of human and animal muscles, for mechanical work, or plant matter, burned for heat and light. Coal, the first widely used fossil fuel, was just starting to be used in steam engines in the UK, but it was negligible overall. By 1900, fossil fuels were the source for half our energy. By 2000, they were the source of 87%.
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SubscribeThanks Tom, nice to see an article with numbers in it.
To me the interesting point, once again, lies with Africa.Someone working in food security told me that Africa is still a net consumer of food.
This should worry everyone because the continent is due to grow from 1 billion to 4 billion by 2100. It is the only continent undergoing explosive growth in this century. Even Asia will stabilise in population by.2050 (China itself is due to start a population decrease by 2026).
Why is Africa a net consumer of food, despite sitting on the largest most fertile land mass on the planet?
In my observation this is due to 4 reasons. The first (already stated) is the reality that populations on the continent have doubled every 25 years for the last 100 years. This poses major logistical challenges for any country. I very much doubt the UK would be able to feed a population growing to 120 million by 2035.
Second, political factors. Zimbabwe, a typical example in the region, no longer allows private land ownership. In this way, the “land reform program” took land with private title and returned it to the state, which had neither the desire nor the knowledge to organise large scale agriculture.
Peasants do not own their land so they have no ability to raise capital for farming. Low inputs destines farmers to low outputs.
The third factor is cultural. I know one person attempting to introduce modern farming practices to some rural farms. The trial has been successful in improving yield, but resulted in neighbouring farmers accusing the successful farmer of witchcraft, and thereafter burning her crop to the ground.
In a region where notions of enlightenment causality do not exist, and in which destiny is assumed to be the outcome of the capricious whims of ancestors and witch doctors, it is no wonder that scientific farming practices have little uptake.
Finally, the environment is being ravaged in ways that most Westerners are utterly unaware of. I spoke to an ecologist who had returned from the Sahel region near Niger, where there is a national park in pristine condition. The only difference between that national park, home of trees, grasslands and rare large mammals, and the desert that exists across the boundary to it, is humans. Niger exists because it is a food aid colony and for no other reason. It cannot support itself. Few people realise the extent to which arable land on the continent is being turned to desert by slash and burn agriculture.
Nigeria is scarcely the size of Texas but holds 220 million people. This number will grow to 700 million by 2100. With no extraordinary revolution in agriculture, it is likely that 500 million people will be locally displaced, causing political and economic instability both regionally and internationally.
In my view, the demographic explosion in central Africa will be the biggest driver for social and political conflict in our lifetime. And yet, there is very little interest in discussing this, much less finding solutions to it.
Migration to Europe from Sub Saharan Africa is already a driver of political changes in Europe, and this will only accelerate as states in Africa fail under the weight of demographic explosion and weak government.
So the question really should be – how long can Africa survive with its current combination of political and social institutions? And, how long can the rest of the world survive with the results of those institutions?
Enlightenment causality? I don’t think African peasants are relying on witchcraft to feed themselves next year, the cause and effect must be pretty obvious, you graft in the fields, you get food. As for ecological degradation, the Sahel is moving north, and the Sahara is contracting, that’s climate change folks! Though if the climate were to cool again…
Great post, Hayden. I only quibble one thing you wrote;
The UK imports almost half its food; at 68 million people it is already in trouble.
No-one can convince me that continually growing the human population is a good thing. Population is the multiplier for most problems; food, water, energy, housing, waste disposal, CO2 emissions, nature conservation.
Don’t even start talking about re-wilding in a country where the population is still growing. We’re living in a Ponzi scheme, the only beneficiaries are shopkeepers watching more customers queueing up at the check-outs every year.
You’re right it’s actually already living beyond its means in terms of food production and food security.
As an ex dairy and arable farmer, I have been saying the same for years and now this stupid First Minister in Scotland is starting to legislate for rewilding land which can easily be cultivatable. Scotland holds the records for barley and wheat yields. The problem is that the politicians do not have a clue about agriculture and the rural economy and it will be too late when they wake up to scarcity of food.
“Population is the multiplier for most problems; food, water, energy, housing, waste disposal, CO2 emissions, nature conservation.”
The rest of the population cares nothing about what you think of their existence, so feel free to consider them all a problem for whatever vision of an ideal world exists in your mind.
Sounds like we need a wall. Never mind he or one of his will be back in a. couple of years.
Interesting to read an article by someone who clearly favors reducing our carbon footprint about the practical challenges that lie ahead. Much like responses to covid the world is a giant experiment with different countries likely following very different strategies. I suspect Germany will be the canary in the coalmine as regards what happens when a highly industrialized country rushes to ‘decarbon’ its economy without thinking through the costs and consequences.
Disagree. I think the UK will try to win the competition. Germany is waiting for a new gas pipeline to open.
But then the UK is no longer a highly industrialised economy…
No way. Germany is shutting down major energy plants with no idea for a replacement. All the while increasing electricity demand via electrical cars.
Why does this article ignore nuclear energy? As I understand it we have enough Thorium to power the planet for 400 years and presumably, even with our current snail’s pace progress, we’ll get fusion working in that timescale?
Yep, thorium is the way to go. Uranium was chosen because the US military needed it. Thorium is safe(r)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power
I thought that too. “How long can humans survive (on fossil fuels alone)?”
One highly controversial theory suggested a way: What if oil is not a fossil fuel, but generated continually by geological processes?
That theory was propagated by some Russian scientists in particular. I don’t remember much about it, but one colleague told me there may exist some oil produced like that but only a tiny amount. Also interesting is the plan (by Exxon in particular) to produce bio-diesel l from algae which process is apparently CO2 neutral. I first heard of it over 20 years ago.
Summary here:
I’m pretty sure greenies would oppose it anyway cos Exxon = bad ; and they’re only really interested in energy inputs that don’t involve heavy industry within their field of vision.
And make life harder for consumers, of course.
Perhaps it’s because the esteemed author of this silly article is of the common mindset that only considers questions of climate change and fossil fuel use to be of any consequence.
There’s nothing in here that energy companies haven’t been pointing out to ecofascists for decades.
You do realise, Tom, that in future decades people, will coming for you in the same way they’re currently coming for statues of people like Edward Colston, do you? Because you knew that fossil fuels feed the world (“This means the world is able to eat”), but you still want them banned anyway because it makes you feel good, even if this brings back famine to half the world.
Maybe the answer is to return more thoroughly to the Eden of yesteryear, and to rewild the third world with bubonic plague, polio, smallpox, and all those other nasties that now live only in laboratories. In our fossil-free future, these diseases, cruelly confined to cylinders in safes, could once again serve their original and valuable social purpose of killing off a lot of brown people before they die embarrassingly of mass famine caused by environmentalists.
“If you want a picture of the future, Winston…”
Yeah… he is shilling for Schwab.
Excellent photo!
Is that a Griffon Vulture waiting patiently for supper?
Hooded vulture, apparently.
Thanks, he/she looks hungry!
if there wasn’t a photographer there some vultures wouldn’t be so patient
With such a ‘tasty morsel’ in range I’m not surprised.
Now doubt this would make an interesting final documentary for Sir David Attenborough?
I don’t know… not a lot of meat on those bones
Yes, like Oysters half a dozen would be ideal.
Big vultures are common in the central African Sahel and down into Nigeria. One of my guys doing a job on a land rig there said their droppings from a height were cowpat size and a single hit on your head and shoulders tended to ruin your day.
Thanks for the warning, I had never considered that particular hazard.
“We need to wean ourselves off fossil fuels, and the sooner the better.”
Why? This statement assumes a fact not in evidence, that there some sort of catastrophe around the corner if we don’t eliminate carbon based fuels. I think the evidence for that assumption is weak to non existent.
Let’s ask a basic question. Who says today’s climate is optimal? Historical records show vineyards in Roman Britain. Today’s climate is too cold to allow vineyards there. The Roman Warm Period was an estimated 2° C warmer than it is now, which was a good thing for humanity, not the disaster global warming alarmists are always predicting from warmer temperatures. Why should we impoverish ourselves for a suboptimal global temperature?
Leif Ericson says man-made global warming is a myth. During the Medieval Warm Period (MWP), 950-1250 CE, fields in Greenland were cultivated. During the Little Ice Age (LIA), 1300-1850 CE, these fields became permafrost and still are. That says the Medieval Warm Period was warmer than it is right now, although not as warm as the Roman Warm Period. Fossil fuels weren’t a factor in MWP or LIA.
Look up the Wikipedia entry for Paleoclimatology. The graphs shows the earth has had both no ice and been an ice ball. In neither case did man exist as a species yet. The extremes in the paleoclimate record show that natural variation dominates any alleged man-made climate change. Before we spend tens of trillions of dollars, shouldn’t we try to understand the natural forces that change climate over geologic time?
It is statistical folly to use about 100 years of data to extrapolate climate cycles that last hundreds or thousands of years. Only the gullible or math challenged believe in the statistical validity of models built on 100 years’ worth of data, that have failed to predict future temperature patterns.
This article shows that fossil fuels are vital to modern prosperity. That part is very obvious.The part that’s not proven is that we need to sacrifice our entire economy to appease the gods of climate. How about sacrificing a bull, or a couple of global warming alarmists instead? Surely we can find a global warming alarmist, perhaps a virgin, who’s willing to make the sacrifice.
Indeed. Also no correlation whatsoever between temperature and CO2, especially the tiny tiny tiny human contribution to that total. We need higher temps and we need more CO2, especially if we want to ‘feed the world’. The ignorant and arrogant powers-that-be think they are Gods and will be able to lower the temperature.
We obviously have no time to figure out what is the right thing to do! That will take too long. We must act now, before it’s too late!!
Finally well thought out solution to our “problem”
Argued well if you believe Greta like invisible fairies live at the bottom of the garden. An alien race, peering from afar would only know we were here from the city lights at night. Most of our radio transmissions are reflected back from orbit and our telescopes are passive radio, x ray and light receivers. 79% Ocean 10% ice, 9% mountains, deserts and non arable land is our home. What’s left?
The whale, Earth, is not dead or falling. Sunlight and carbon fixing CO2 renew the plants via algae and other plant photosynthesis. I read the Sun delivers enough energy in one day to power our energy needs for a year once science delivers the means to take advantage.
Your whale feasting crabs are unable to process the bounty for future use by drying or freezing. We are not opportunistic carrion eaters. We throw away enough food to feed Africa many times over if we wanted to, and they wanted to eat pellets of nourishment like astronauts.
I’ve viewed the ground from aircraft windows for many years and always marvelled at the empty space. Try California or a short trip from Tehran to Esfahan. Even England in a small 2 seater. Try Google Earth if you can’t be bothered to leave your keyboard to have a look.
I am so old that I can remember forecasts of oil running out by 2000. And the apocalyptic forecasts of “The Population Bomb” – that we would all be dead or starving by now. About as reliable as Professor Ferguson’s COVID projections.
… not forgetting the start of an ice-age in 1970’s lol
The increase in material wealth achieved over the last century was not mandated by a central authority. If it had been, it never would have happened. The one way to insure the world doesn’t successfully innovate beyond our current reliance on fossil fuels is to put bureaucrats in charge of making it happen.
We can all live well off a whole lot less, the snag being a drop in Growth is a depression, and that means riots, Police states, war and break down as it is not managed. Tipping Points – the Fiat Currencies which are money now days, they exist only by faith and an agreement that they are in fact Money, they are paper (and digital numbers) backed by nothing. When a small thing shakes this faith it collapses and chaos takes over – and that is very ugly.
SO….What I expect to happen is the thing which is becoming a meme as we are being trained for the inevitability of its coming – CBDC.
Central Bank Digital Currencies. A Central Managed Economy. The Central Bank makes all of it, we all hold accounts with the Central Bank in digital wallets on the phones.
No real crash and global depression this time – enough bread money on every phone, rents met – although rent, as all prices are, to be centrally managed too, as will all goods and services. It is called ‘The Great Reset’ And it is your phone and CBDC which make it work. And there is nothing anyone can do, as that will be the money, the paper finished.
The Great Reset, if you fallow Klaus Schwab, and the WEF (World Economic Forum, and the rest of the Global Elite) is all about ‘Global Warming’. and ‘Sustainability’ That is what it is – go on their site.
So no worries there Chivers. Klaus has it all in hand. How to reduce those resources, how to get us all to be what they think we should be. Your wallet will have everything figured out. How much Carbon you are allowed, say, all will have allotments, and if the wallet will not spend, you will not buy. Real ‘Mark of the Beast’ time.
They are not shy – they tell you up front what it is all about https://www.weforum.org/about/world-economic-forum You are to become one of the New-Feudalism. Most likely a serf, but maybe better, just depends on how things shake out, and what you are willing to do for your place.
The problem with this Schwab person is surely not that he thinks in matters of large population scales and sustainability, which is something that is necessary anyway. The problem lies with his personality; I am told he is a stubborn, arrogant person who cannot stand being wrong about anything. Once again it’s the issue of “communism has never really been tried” which, arguably, stands and falls with the people in power, who are ultimately corrupted by the very power they have. On one side, a globalized, centrally-managed and regulated system could help us in increasing sustainability, from which we would all profit – take the USB plug for example. One the other hand, inevitably this will lead to a detached elite with no regard for individual human lives – a dystopia indeed, this much I can guarantee.
Yet another melodramatic article by Tom aka Greta Chivers. Chivers: you are making exactly the same mistake that Malthus made in the 19th century. You ignore technological developments that you can’t even imagine today. I recall that in the 1980s or so it was predicted that we would run out of oil and gas by the year 2000, yet there is more oil than ever, and but for Biden and his cohort of luny toons, the US would still be energy independent.
I’m surprised Chivers didn’t also treat us with quotes from Paul Ehrlich.
If Paul Ehrlich was right back in 1970, we’d all be dead now and unable to tell him how right he was.
I’m sure we can use materials much more sensibly. Build things to last, rather than constantly throwing things away and buying again. Build more with wood. Build into the earth. Design cities to minimise transportation needs, so walking and cycling nearly always suffice.
We can look at aeroponics, as well as crop rotation and genetically engineered crops.
But the big elephant in the room is that renewables are nowhere near fit for purpose. Until someone devises a clever way to turn wind & solar into synthetic hydrocarbons, at scale, sufficient to cover their creation & maintenance with plenty of energy left over for us to use, we should stop wasting our time on them.
To anyone who’s not a fool or a shill, it’s obvious that nuclear is the answer.
At the risk of getting downvoted why would it be harder to generate synthetic hydrocarbons from the electricity created by renewables rather than nuclear?
The electricity generated by renewables doesn’t scale. Nuclear power can scale and it has been done before. See France. We are on the cusp of fusion power too. I believe it will come from Russia and China and not the West. Their leaders don’t seem to possess the same Malthusian view of the world that Western leaders do.
Tom, this needs a correction:
“ the pipes we send our water and gas through, too” – they are made of Medium Density Polyethylene now ie plastics.
Does Smil mention phosphates? Although we can fix nitrogen we can’t speed up the way earth regenerates phosphates which are a vital part of NPK fertilisers.
No one mentions that the US halved its carbon emissions by changing from coal to gas (shale). An international move from coal to natural gas would make an immediate difference to global emissions.
A small point in the scheme of things, but ammonia is a nitrogen atom combined with three hydrogen atoms. The error is consistent with the thinking in other parts of the article.
Probably a typo and should be ammonium.
Even in 1800 there were sources of energy other than human and animal muscles and firewood. Ships could sail around the world on windpower. Flour mills and factories could run on wind or water power. We have the British archive of mills here in Reading if you want to see how ingenious our ancestors were. Look at the Mill Lanes and Mill Streets the length and breath of Britain.
The Haber-Bosch process for capturing atmospheric nitrogen brought death as well as life. It made World War 1 possible. Ammonia was used for explosives as well as fertilisers, as the charming young lady at the Bosch museum in Heidelberg agreed.
Just because the author knows little about the past most certainly does not mean he does not know everything about the future and what we should be doing right now (which surely involves more “renewables” and much much less of that awful carbon stuff that is destroying the planet.)
An excellent article about various important issues, yet it manages to stay apolitical.
The question is whether there really is any solution for the problems discussed. Here in the West, population growth has been curbed, and one-child households are common, which is technically not a problem. Yes, by virtue of our financial system, our well-being depends on growth, which is ultimately achieved by increasing our numbers. And yet, machinery takes away so much of the workload that we could live well even without constantly growing. One issue here might be that much of the money (as a promise of time/work) has ended up with the owners of said machines. So we, as a society, owe these people a ridiculous amount of time and work simply because they bought and operated machines that create things. Even worse, others merely invested money in such companies to squeeze out the highest possible investor return, causing a net negative to society due to lobbying, corruption and market manipulation. Were this money freed up, we could have a more lively commerce, and trade in services rather than goods. This would mean a renewed focus on quality in the time we spend and the products we create and use, which in turn would increase sustainability. I don’t have to tell you how much longer a hand-made chair lasts than some mass-produced piece of carp. As it stands currently, services are vastly underappreciated – take the state of hospitals and care homes for a prime example. This is the wrong direction! We need to reduce the ad industry, reduce consumption, reduce online interactions, and instead strongly incentivize the service industry and fund local social programs. This will make us all happier and create a better and more integrated society. It will also reduce our carbon and energy footprint. And while I don’t agree with the “own nothing” sentiment, I do think that increased trading in used items would save a lot of resources, and create new social webs.
As for Africa, population growth there is absolutely necessary for the individuals. Unlike in the West, these people don’t have the technological standards we enjoy. They need their children as insurance – and understandably, they make as many of them as they can. Yes, with a lower standard of life, less resources are used. But with a higher standard of living, fewer people are “needed”. The initial population growth, like historically in the West, then mainly comes from an increase in life span of the individual. A really interesting question would be: how far would the population growth really go, assuming an increase in the standard of living?
Your 1st section is spot on. Your 2nd is way off. Africa does not need more population, it is already in the poverty trap. People nowhere equal ‘production’, and Africa already has far more people than it can employ. The women in African communities who have 6 or 7 surviving children will, between the ages or 15 and 30, typically have had 10 or more pregnancies, including a number of stillbirths. Already suffering from dehydration, malnourishment, overwork, and probably disease, she will have missed any chance of education, and by the time she is 40 will be utterly exhausted in every sense. Meanwhile her children, born into the same conditions, will suffer the same fate. Given effective birth control, she can delay pregnancy till she is fully mature, have fewer, healthier, children, and control her fertility when and how she decides.
In South Africa birth control is widely available and is then not used.
Progressives always assume that the problem is availability of birth control. They should study why fertility rates are falling to near or below replacement in say, Bangladesh but not Pakistan.
An oddly interesting post. You seem so certain of so many things, but I can’t think of a basis for much of anything said here. Then again, I’m not sure what actual problems the esteemed science editor pointed out in his article beyond the basic “how will we all survive in the scary future.”
The opposite of the right conclusion. We need to end the insanity and stop trying to end fossil fuel use.
Not buying it. What does Smil have to say about ever increasing ubiquitous computation, the total, utter, game changer, and single most salient fact of our age?
Cool word there Prash. Ubiquitous-Computation.
AI, Meta, VR and Matrix. Will be a game changer for sure.
‘Alexia, tell the sex robot I am ready, and what the heck, get her some flowers.’
Is that a translation from the talibani?
once we enter the meta verse we won’t have to eat, or sleep or use any energy (except for in app purchases)
It will be a magic utopia, greater than communism or the Jannah.
Malthus will always be beaten by technology? Mustn’t that road run out at some point?
Yes, beyond the singularity.
Joking aside, every technologically advanced society on earth is below population replacement, some of them very significantly so. So it’s a race between Malthusian outcomes as livelihoods disappear and a drop in the advanced nations population over the next few decades. A potential spanner in the works is ever increasing life expectancy – I fully expect many of today’s 50 years olds to live another 70, and if that is the case, escape velocity could mean they would live another 700, or however long they choose.
The big exception to this is of course Africa, which is a big worry because very bad outcomes look very possible there over the next few decades.
I seem to remember reading that the natural biological age limit is around 115 to 120, but maybe there is no artificial limit. (Don’t quote me though 🙂 )
There is apparently an in-built limit mechanism in humans, that beyond a certain point, with an upper bound of around 120, all systems and organs deteriorate rapidly and simultaneously. But that’s ultimately just an engineering problem albeit a hideously complicated one. Once that switch is found and turned off, then the second level of problems – every biological entity deteriorates through its life through replication failures and mutations. The main problem with organ replacement is rejection – even a gestating baby triggers rejection reactions in the mothers body, which are then countered by other mechanisms. However, if organs and cells can be ‘grown’ from your own cells, your own genetic material, the rejection problem goes away and you have a continuous ‘replenishment’ mechanism available. I’m seeing more and more bioscience research showing real possibilities of prolonging life. Whether you find the thought horrifying or exhilarating, is I guess a matter of personal taste.
Horrifying!
“potential spanner in the works” : we’re basically doomed
50+ Interesting. I’ve noticed lately that many young men who I used to work with are dying, heart attack, cancer and so on. When I was in that age group a doctor told me I was in the danger zone and should take better care of myself. Almost a ritual of passage, your 50s.
As for Africa, after emancipation they have become chaotic, exploited, underpaid and controlled by EU and USA agricultural protection. Politically interfered with by Russia via Cuba and the GDR, they now welcome inward cynical Chinese investment to exploit the same mineral wealth, e.g lithium, cobalt and copper to drive the new battery world. The very same way the old West were accused of by our ‘liberal’ intelligentsia. The Road to Hell indeed.
Fortunately, carbon and CO2 are nowhere near the problems that are made out to be, and more CO2 may be a net positive for many decades, improving agricultural productivity and plant growth in general, with logarithmically declining incremental climate warming.
In the end, we should seek renewable energy where we can, to preserve fossil fuels for uses where there are not good alternatives. We need to do this prudently and rationally.
Ammonia is NH3, not NH4. You do worry about the other information provided if the author can’t get even the most basic facts straight.
I believe that if all the arrogant politicians and all the foolish climate alarmists disappeared then humans would survive a darn sight longer.
Indeed. The whole topic is jackassery to begin with. If it were worth anything (which it’s not), I would wager that mankind will survive long enough to laugh at the fools of today making predictions about it, were they not occupied making their own similar predictions.
We are going to see all this play out too. The Russians and Chinese don’t hate their populations and do not want them dead. The Western elite want to cull their populations. We’ll see which civilization thrives over the next 20 years and which ones descend into darkness. Those trends are already becoming clear.
Happy Monday to you.
Disappointed that this article did not mention nuclear energy, which could easily supply all our energy needs until the sun dies out, if only we could rid ourselves of out pathological fear of radioactivity. The number of people harmed by radioactivity from nuclear reactors, including all accidents, is at most under 4000 (more likely fewer than 200), and all from a single accident, Chernobyl. No-one died after Three Mile Island and Fukushima. No one has ever been harmed by spent nuclear fuel. Compare that to the 200,000 killed in the worst renewable energy disaster, the collapse of the Banqiao reservoir dam in 1975. Are we completely insane?
No doubt about it. We are insane. There is this strange elitist behavior that suggests humanity is the scourge of the earth and it must be reduced at all cost. It is a Malthusian philosophy based in arrogance and the desire to play god. It doesn’t matter that the Malthusians have always been wrong or are always saying disaster is right around the corner and when we get to the corner there is no disaster…. for some reason these people continue to get listened to. Gates, Schwab, and Chivers are all of the same mind. Humans are the problem and less of them is the solution. Talk about a self-defeating philosophy on life!
You should have started with your conclusion, I wouldn’t have bothered to read through it. You see that’s the trick, humans don’t “need” to do anything, and least wise what a linear Malthusian argument would suggest.
Through human ingenuity and economic systems geared to reward good ideas extra people mans extra ingenious ideas and ways of living.
And every once in a while you can catch a break, like the greening of the world from higher atmospheric CO2 levels.
I mean if Malthus was right, we would have starved to death a long time ago.
The entire premise reminds me of organized religion. The difference being this one is politically correct and won’t get you canceled.
It is worse than that. In organized religion humans don’t believe they are god. In the anti-human Malthusian philosophy the technocrats are more evolved and get to play god to try and reduce the population of the unwashed drooling masses…. because we all know there are too many people on Earth. Right?
Yes but the Stone Age didn’t end for lack of stones…
The things they substituted stones with were better. In every energy transition before now, two things were true: (i) there was still an abundance of the fuel source being moved away from and (ii) the fuel source being moved to provided higher net energy. Thus you could maintain current arrangements and provide the energy requirements for the infrastructure for the new one.
Neither are true now.
This isn’t true. Nuclear provides plenty of energy and China and Russia are close to developing fusion reactors. The West is a joke. The Western elite hate humanity and want to see it reduced. They see humanity as vermin hence the biowarfare and population reduction schemes.
I don’t think that’s accurate. For the last 40 years, we’ve been 40 years away from commercialised fusion technology. Meanwhile, we’ve only dabbled at nuclear fission and have already exhausted the high concentration ore deposits. They are now having to process 800,000 tonnes of ore to supply one reactor for one year, and that number (and energy cost) is rising fast. And we have over 50 years of stockpiled waste to reprocesses – an extraordinarily energy intensive process.
Nuclear could provide some energy, but it’s by no means clear that it will substitute for oil and gas after meeting its own exponentially rising fuel provision and waste processing energy requirements.
And all of that supposes that continuity of the systems required to retool the entire energy system around nuclear can be sustained as the fuel source currently sustaining them – oil and gas – depletes at 10% per annum.
We aren’t in fact running out of oil. The headline figure of 45 years is proven production, which are oil fields that are now producing or have a 90% of producing – technically and economically. There’s a second category of unproven reserves which is known oil fields not yet drilled with a good chance of production. A 89% chance (however measured) would go into that category.
Anyway there’s about 200 years of that. The last category is potential oilfields where the technology is not there yet to extract and there’s a few hundred more years of that. Shale or North Sea oil was once on that category.
And whether you like wind farms or not, or solar panels or not, or nuclear or not, they are all alternatives. We may not get to net zero but these technologies are likely to reduce demand significantly. In fact there’s talk of peak oil demand.
we will never hit peak oil in supply. Demand is likely to peak in a few years.
https://fortune.com/2021/10/13/oil-demand-peak-2025-world-invest-trillions-renewables-iea-world-energy-outlook/
Does anyone consider the point that humans who can’t find food to eat usually don’t replicate as much?
I have not read the Vaclav Smil’s book mentioned, but I thoroughly recommend his books “Energy” and “Oil” as excellent technical and historical introductions.
This is an excellent discussion of the importance of fossil fuels and the writing of Vaclav Smil.
The website allaboutenergy.net, supports carbon dioxide as the molecule of life, fossil fuels and their by-products that created the wonderful modern world in 220 years and China in just 50. We support nuclear power, nuclear medicine, nuclear technologies of all kinds for peaceful purposes. We support fission with use of uranium and thorium. These two atoms can power all the world’s energy needs for as long as people will live on Earth. We support fusion when it becomes commercially available. Radioactive waste of nuclear fission can easily be managed and is much less volume than waste from all other energy sources.
Thank you Tom Chivers for putting your toe in the water. Perhaps you are aware of the tsunami of realisation which is growing in social media as people are waking up to the reality that it is our global pursuit of economic growth which is fuelling the escalating climate and ecological collapse. The Global Footprint Network are the renowned experts in measuring ecological degradation, their open data platform tells us that the biocapacity available in our own dear UK is a mere 1.1 gha per capita, whereas the latest estimates for our average consumption per capita is 4.2 gha. This is the economics of a compulsive gambler or a pyramid scheme, we have been gambling on growth economics for decades. The ideology of IPAT Degrowth has been well developed in intellectual circles for decades, and it is now breaking through into the mainstream, with books like ‘Less is More’ and ‘Post Growth’. We have all been caught out in two respects, firstly we are not appreciating that we are now locked-into escalating food and financial insecurity, secondly we can no longer use past experience to plan our future. Tom Chivers fails to recognise the extent to which our climate and eco-systems have been destabilised by past and continued abuse.
We need to dig deep and ask ourselves what is it that we wish to sustain, should we choose our global economy or the eco-systems that we need to survive? Dr Carmody Grey puts this question beautifully in the Hook lecture 2021, I recommend listening from 5 minutes in, just a few minutes is adequate to get the picture. Things have changed since Don’t Look Up, more and more people are starting to look up, and we may just have a sliver of a chance to redeem our past folly.
So much faith in experts here, even despite the thorough de-pantsing of the expert class which has occurred over the last two years.
“as people are waking up to the reality that it is our global pursuit of economic growth which is fuelling the escalating climate and ecological collapse.” Could you walk me through how you know any of this? Or is it more a matter of faith for you (in the “renowned experts”)? Because for me, the system is way too complex to comprehend.
They have models! Just like the covid models! It is the data! The experts say so!
Lolz.
Economic growth doesn’t necessarily mean “more possessions”.
It’s about doing things more efficiently.
We need this growth for sustainability.
The enormous cost of wind and solar, for example, would not be bearable without surpluses created by use of hydrocarbons.